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So what does it mean that "the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city"? Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, "Come, gather for the great supper of God, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great." on me; (10) Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see If you interpret the passage to mean those taken are taken in judgment you have to change the meaning of words. Jeremiah 9:23-24. If angels really have these wings, or if they are symbolic for ability of flight, is up for discussion. Because Jesus Christ is the spotless Lamb of God who took away the sins of the world (John 1:29-34) by dying upon the cross, being buried and rising again as He promised (Matthew 16:21-23, 17:22-23; Mark 8:31-33, 9:30-32; Luke 9:21-22, 18:31-34), we now possess through Him the hope and reality of our own resurrection. (8) And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of What I put forward is not my view but what the text clearly teaches. This was not an answer given in the previous discussion of this question; I basically agree with your conclusion-there is no other way of interpreting 'eagle' except as a bird of prey, consequently, those 'taken' by the eagles are where eagles go to devour their flesh-certainly no picture of anything that looks like heaven. Your's is the answer I believe most correctly describes the passage: it flies in the face of the "Left Behind" methodology, but it accurately describes the language used. Luke 17:34 describes what will happen after the judgment. Please see, Welcome and thank you for your contribution. they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. The people "left behind" - These are non Christians. Luke 17:34 The believers are left and will be with Christ on the earth during the Millennium. 41 Two women will be grinding meal Lu 17:37 G4983 body, flesh; the body of the Church. (Matthew 24:40-42). Luke 17 provides further powerful proof of the order of gatherings, as if the harmony of several passages so far were not enough. After answering the Pharisees in Luke 17, Jesus said: I tell you, in that night there shall be two in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. The Comforter is the Spirit of Truth that shall comfort us as those we leave behind shall persecute us in their unbelief and wrath that we have left their church. Check your inbox or spam folder to confirm your subscription. For more information about this event, we must read Matthew 25:31-46. For example, it is important to notice that in Luke 17:22 we are told that Jesus referred to the days of the Son of Man, and He did it again in Luke 17:30. could be that the taken are the people who were steadfast in their faith in the face of danger, so saving their lives for eternity. Below you will see three different translations of the original Greek Koine. them, Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered.. Luke 17:34-35, The Fate of the Raptured Posted on Saturday, October 11, 2014 in Bible Commentary | 1 comment I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Noah were, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. THE RAPTURE, A SECRET UNTIL JESUS CHRIST REVEALED IT TO PAUL Attempting to argue against those who say Jesus never preached about the Rapture, people will take Jesus' words in Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-36 about individuals being taken away, and make them apply to people being taken to heaven in the Rapture. The answer begins by understanding that duosimply means two. The word can refer to two men, two women, two children, a mother and a child, or two of anything. The armies that follow them will likewise be slain. (36) Two men These are events that will take place after the Second Coming of Christ. them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath We are to keep His sacrifice in the presence of their persecutions by not returning evil for their evil. This is the great judgment/wrath at Christ's Second Coming, when God kills His enemies and instructs scavenger-birds to gather and eat their corpses (Revelation 19:17-21). Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. rev2023.3.3.43278. Celestial Signs of the Coming Savior (Luke 21:25-26) Grace to You, Mar 22, 2017. Again, these fowl in Revelation 19 are the multitude of words of the unbelievers who will not believe in the true sayings of God when the Scriptures are opened up by the Lord to our hearing ears. Therefore, they are not describing the rapture. About UsContact UsPrayer RequestsPrivacy Policy, Latest AnswersBible LessonsBibleAsk LIVEOnline Bible. Any duration. Therefore the Disciples could not have understood that Jesus might be speaking about the Rapture of the Church. Then and only then will his will be done perfectly on earth as it is in heaven. I know this has been years since the question was asked, but in case dont have clarity or others see this, I wanted to answer. They are similar but Lukes account took place about a week before the Olivet Discourse. They can rise to 10,000 feet almost out of sight. I like Joseph's answer, which if no other answers turn in will receive my check. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. John 14:3). Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. However, I am dissatisfied with the answers given, as they are either "off the wall", or "I don't know-but I think this". For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. He also expands on this here by saying "Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. ptma G4430 is coprse, caracass. by John Dart October 26, 2011 Guest Post One will be taken and the other left. It is clear that the "rapture" is for those to be devoured. lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. One will be taken the other left (Mt 24:40-41). Those taken or those left behind? He has revealed to us the" mystery of his will"(Ephesians 1:9) Learning about it can lead to salvation and can provide you with a glimpse into the Creator's unfathomable wisdom. It is a compound word composed of a preposition para meaning near and a verb, lambano meaning I receive. February 27, 2023 equitable estoppel california No Comments . indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the Bible Based.We believe in solo-scriptura. All Sermons Bible Studies Devotionals Prayers. Who is the one left? for out of the abundance of the heart In this respect, if we continue to compare Luke with Matthew, the ones "taken" (Matt 24:40-41, NASB) are similar to those "taken" at the flood of Noah (Matt 24:39, NASB). Sadly by remaining where they are, they are taken to be executed under the reign of the Anti-Christ as this is during the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation. They would be taken somewhere but Where? The eagles will be gathered together as they will speak a multitude of words as they will persecute those that leave them. Again in the Lords high priestly prayer Jesus prayed: Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one (one Body in Christ); as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me (John 17:20-21). Treasury of Scripture. They will also be tormented in the presence of the holy angels.the messengers.the words of our Lord which are life and spirit. Not to a rotting carcase but to the living body that rose from the dead and is alive for evermore! And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. [Jer 9:22 NKJV] 22 Speak, "Thus says the LORD: 'Even the carcasses of men shall fall as refuse on the open field, Like cuttings after the harvester, And no one shall gather [them].' The New International Version (NIV) has avoided the word men and so translates the passage with people. Here is the verse, I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. that Lot left Sodom, it rained fire and sulfur from heaven and In verse 26, Jesus resembled the days of Noah with His second coming: And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. eg. judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. It is my purpose to demonstrate that this is quite unscriptural. How to prove that the supernatural or paranormal doesn't exist? Donations to this ministry aretax-deductible. Does two men in the field, one taken and one left refer to the rapture? " (34) O generation of vipers, how can ye, 38 For as in those Those who were taken were those who remained in the city and were taken by the Roman army. Here is Jesus' answer to the "when question," which I have paraphrased quite liberally: The day to which you are referring concerns the denouement of the Son of Man on the "Day of the Lord" which the prophets of old predicted. 2) The Gospels must be interpreted as addressed to Israel and not the Church because a new dispensation of the Church had not begun at the time. Jesus said: And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold (Israel): them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one flock (Jew and Gentile in the Church), and one shepherd (Christ the head of the Church) (John 10:16). This chart shows the flow of events as: 1) The Antichrist at Point 1. We must be faithful to the context which is Israel in the last days. I was less than satisfied with the Matt. 144x times in KJV sma is body not corps. Jesus faulted the Pharisees for missing (ignoring) the signs of the times: His own day WAS the "last days"! the mouth speaketh. The phrase "the end of the age," of course, comes from Jesus' "Great Commission" found in Matthew 28, specifically verse 20. At the rapture, of course, believers are taken. Likewise, the parable of the wheat and tares teaches that the tares will be gathered and burned before the wheat is brought into the barn (the Kingdom). Verse 37 in Luke immediately follows the description of the rapture of believers (verses 34-36). And verse 37 confirms that as well And they answered and said unto him, Where Lord? This is a picture* of angels that are in the process of transporting from earth newly departed peoples' souls, through the legendary dark tunnel, to the heavenly light in the far distance. I have watched eagles circling, rising higher and higher. daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of We are to leave it all behind for His sake and the good news of our salvation that we hear in the Word of Truth spoken to our hearing ears from Heaven above. replied to them, Where the dead body[e] is, there the vultures will Marayong NSW 2148 I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. So it is not a valid argument to reason that because Jesus was speaking to Jewish disciples before Pentecost He could not be referring to the Rapture of the Church. Genesis 19:9-15 KJV (9) And they said, Stand back. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this Two shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and First, if we read the three verses leading up to this text, we find this: As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. (h) Vid. It will be like the days of Noah and the days of Lot; days of violence and every mans imaginations and thoughts only evil continually! good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the (36) But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Who is the second? Nevertheless He gave the Disciples three signs that would indicate when the Kingdom would be established. The prince of this world.those who love the preeminence (love to be first) among the churches will have nothing to do with Him as they will come forth to persecute those who will receive His words and exercise their authority over the churches as they will act like Diotrephes did. This is because the dead have already risen by Luke 17:37. I was pleased to see the CEB use the word "disciple" to refer to the mysterious young man who appears in Mark 14:51-52, after the 12 disciples desert Jesus and run away. Therefore, we do not know if Jesus was referring to two men, two women or just two people, such as a married couple. shalt be condemned. In Matthew 24, when it speaks about the Tribulation, it states that: wheresoever the carcase (ptoma) is, there will the eagles be gathered together. The people being taken away in Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-36 are being judged and destroyed. But we cannot assume that the Lord is talking about the same people when He spoke of some who are taken and received to Himself while others are left; put away in judgment. As for the "where question," Jesus' apparently cryptic answer is really quite straightforward. And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. The words in the Olivet Discourse come after the Lord has given a chronological description of events following this Church age and lasting for the 7 years of the Tribulation, culminating in the glorious return of Christ to the earth to establish His kingdom and to reign on the throne of David.